Perhaps it could be in a negative senseIOW, everything this man said to do, do the opposite. Extremely astute comment, and I agree 100%. Yes marketing is creating more customers, and increased investment in distribution helps to deliver the product and access to more markets; but a shifting of resource allocation and cost-cutting measures are needed. Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. And that was his only job then. At first I chuckled because it seems obvious to me that pastors who should know the names of those in their congregation. Reminds me of our former YRR pastor who told us he didnt come here just to serve, serve, serve all the time! Still scratching my head over that one! I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. But the salvation of the world has a purpose beyond that. @ Deb: @ Gram3: @ Preacherskid: TWW has long been a safe place for folks of differing views and differing faiths. More trucks and drivers, better on-line delivery and inventory control systems all make for increased efficiencies. The Church is there to train us, teach us. Is this confirmed that he is doing it for free? This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. Madness. Also, most pastors who are doing pastoral care/visitation/counsellingi.e., actually working with their congregations are not going to have 20-25 hours of sermon prep time. Speech is a complex process that requires precise timing, nerve and muscle control, and as a result is susceptible to impairments. He paid it lip service in the introduction, but did not believe it as a sign of health. Different people; different needs. David Eigenberg isn't deaf in real life, thus he doesn't need hearing aids or have speech problems. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. It is the body of Christ. GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote: I love this story! He became pastor-teacher at McLean Bible Church in 2017. All the best! That does not excuse poor leadership or unwise over-commitments as Platt seems to be doing here. My husband had tears in his eyes. Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. I mean, they were so mad I have no doubt theyre trying to find me. Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. Whos We? authority. Isa. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. The impact on the muslim world is accomplished very slowly through sincere friendships made through contacts by normal working people. The Church gathered to worship is a witness that God indwells His people. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. This discussion so far has focused on ministry unto the flock, but Leviticus is full of ministry unto the LORD. I wrote the following a few years ago: No thing compares to knowing Him. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? Our LORD has said, Follow me and I will make you fishers of men. Out of the tent of meeting, God will make you. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. And thats okay too. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. The thing about touchpads is they are sotouchy. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! I briefly attended McLean Bible Church, pastored by Lon Solomon, back in the mid-1980s. He is extremely casual in his attire and can come across *not put together. They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. And yes very sad. Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB : Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as But those things are not what they are hired to do in megachurches. I think there is more going on. The man boy who took over my former church immediately had his title changed to lead pastor. Nice to hear that I wasnt the only one to notice this and it wasnt just my imagination. Something feels very wrong about this transition and I am less than overwhelmed by Platt. The academy is funded by the Church to produce pastors, theologians, missionaries, etc. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. @ Arnold Smartarse: Case in point; many years ago my mother, a widow, attended a small church. That kind of New Testament model? Web9. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. (1) fr. Or when the weekly sermon is the main source of our biblical sustenance. By loving them we glorify God because God is love. Thats another contemporary trend so why not ape it in the church? I also have an active prayer closet and know how to use it. I try to use gender inclusive language, but I dont bend over backwards. A vague reference to Samuels School of the Prophets is a weak link, but possible. Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. Also surprised MBC would go for this. Imagine my surprise when I arrived there to find that (a) they had moved way down US Route 7 to (b) an unimaginably large campus complete with coffee shop, gym, etc., you get the picture. Does not. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. Washing disciples feet delegate. There were more interesting and relevant things that I cant remember from that story. 20-25 hours might involve something like translating the passage out of the original language, maybe? A lot of nonsense is talked about peoples fear of public speaking. Maybe the problem is not David Platt but the mega church experience. Catching a celebrity pastor is the latest craze amongst growing churches with money an whoe leadership is seeking prestige. If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. We dont usually see it that way if the way we want things is the way we are used to seeing them. He is now our teaching pastor and I am thrilled God brought him to. I appreciate so much the need for discernment and advocating for victims, but I dont see any crimes here, just a lot of fault finding where there really doesnt seem to be any fault. I asked if anyone had any word on new and promising upcoming middle of the road candidates for the next election because I did not have time right now to research them myself. United prayer, therefore, requires that the one for whom we pray be looking away from us to the Lord Jesus Christ, and we together look to Him alone (1), respectfully, as you anticipate heavenly things, make every effort to be found at peace with The Lord Jesus, and that pressing towards being without spot or blemish, growing in the grace and knowledge of our Savior Jesus Christ. People want to belong, Sneak-Peek: R U Representing Christ, Perhaps?. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. In growth and maturity, we need to feed others, and to be served, ourselves both. That kind of New Testament model? I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. He was senior pastor at the Church at Brook Hills in Birmingham, Alabama, from 2006 to 2014. I do believe the quickest way to clean up the Body is STOP the clergy/laity divide and go to the all volunteer movement. They said its a new testament model so it is. Maybe a thread on ecclessiology would help define terms and roles it is sorely needed in the contemporary scene. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. If we hope to reveal the worth of Gods love to others, what has it cost us? The response I had no right to ask to speak to the pastor, the pastor is a very busy man (busy doing what?) +++++++++++++++++++++++. Does not. They can. In other words, ISTM that the Mohler faction has won that war. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. You will realize why you cannot live up to his standards.He is *better* than you although he will tell you he is the worst sinner that he knows. Both Mark Driscoll and Matt Chandler at one time were spokesmen for Docent a company you pay to research and write sermons for you. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. WebDoes God Have a Speech Impediment? One of the benefits this boundary has brought to our church is that we are very clearly not a pastor-centered church. Today isnt all that special nor or we so special that we just know more than God. Thanks for the man/human explanation. I cant think of any big names in the UK but that doesnt matter there are plenty of gifted people within local churches. Could you comment on that? and he doesnt commit to funerals and all flowers had to comply with their flower policy. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. Casting Crowns: A City On A Hill One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. If you had a church in a city that had been owned free and clear for a 100 years it would end up being impossible to run if it wasnt flush with cash. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor . Why do we persist, neurotically supporting this model? McLean is new to theSouthern Baptist Convention. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. I had no idea who David Platt was two months ago, until I started listening to his sermons. Whats going on? They are also quite able to live in the tension where not everyone is miraculously healed. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. I would also spend the other 20-25 hours getting to know the people and doing visitation-type activities. In an ironic twist, the exact same thing happened at an SBC church my daughter and I attended (some time after my 2nd McLean Bible Church experience) in a different city the pastor became ill and one day announced from the pulpit who his replacement would be not even the elders appeared involved in this situation. He speaks at the Southern Baptist Convention He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Some churches in my area have a Farmers Market on weekends in their parking lot. for those working normal jobs in the community. thats totally awesome. We exist for one another, too. All believers do have access, yes. I greatly admire the health in Christ you so earnestly convey and demonstrate. I did a little research of John Folmar, my ex-pastor in Dubai, in 2013, the year I quit. There is an interesting discussion on this subject between Mark Driscoll, James McDonald and Mark Dever here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukvHuwFzBA. Second thought is the IMB Presidency is a full-time job which God also called him to and God is not as flakey as David Platt appears to be. @ Todd Wilhelm: Plus, it has been my experience, that while this is way overly simplistic, there seems to two kinds of people: 1. You see, he gets to go to church with them and then get up and preach/teach. The legal profession just balks. My problem with some of what is being said here is that the bible never says that it is a procedure manual for how to do church for cross-cultural purposes or for perpetuity or for that matter even in the first century. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Devers viewpoint on this subject. (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. 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