body would be a pretty slender person. 170 lbs.? There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. How the Mets have fared in the games that count the most! In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Peter His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. January 12, 2011 August 11, 2015 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. It's just too sweet.ALBERT KIM. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. feat fan Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. May 9, 2002 Randy Tate February 25, 2003 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Shari He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. April 23, 2003 January 12, 2011 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. We are going all the way!" Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. Copyright 1999-2023, The Ultimate Mets Database. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. April 23, 2003 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Peter But this one defied all logic from the beginning. February 25, 2003 May 7, 2013 July 15, 2016 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. April 27, 2013 June 11, 2003 November 12, 2006 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. 6'1", 170???? He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. September 25, 2013 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. NYB Buff Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. - Now for the trade itself. September 12, 2002 Feat Fan As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Jim Snedeker Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? May 7, 2013 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. (thankfully returning in '81). Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. NYB Buff April 30, 2009 Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform John Bruce September 24, 2005 October 4, 2006 support. $152.99. feat fan He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. - Now for the trade itself. bob saunders (thankfully returning in '81). October 19, 2011 September 25, 2013 to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Jay Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. $95 after 10% discount. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. August 11, 2015 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Lolich, the original portly portsider, now runs an old-fashioned, 22-stool coffee and doughnut joint. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. November 10, 2002 (thankfully returning in '81). Dianna Jeanneh Jones As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. October 19, 2011 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. You can't be serious. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Jim Snedeker As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. He played in Major League Baseball as a pitcher from 1962 until 1979, most notably for the Detroit Tigers. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. January 12, 2011 October 19, 2011 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. November 19, 2002 August 11, 2015 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Shari Shickhaus Franks Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Mickey got to his feet briefly with the help of a cane and his 76-year-old former catcher Jim Price to toss the ball. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. March 22, 2005 The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. By limiting the hired help to a waitress at the counter, one at the 24- hour drive-through window and a baker for the overnight shift, Lolich said he will be in a position to retire in six years, at 50. of money. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Bartolo Colon etc). Dianna Jeanneh Jones April 27, 2013 April 23, 2003 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. While the Detroit Tigers spent the last few days preparing for their first World Series in 16 years, the man who pitched them to the 1968 championship baked more than 10,000 doughnuts. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Raymond Malcuit God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. November 3, 2006 Bobster1985 February 25, 2003 to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. After one year in New York Lolich retired. Mickey loved his Harley. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Larry Burns 6'1", 170???? When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Thomas also co-hosts a weekly L.A. radio talk show on football. October 2, 2005 His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. By then Lolich had learned to bake and he bought out his partner. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. 376 innings. April 27, 2013 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Mike B Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Ken Akerman Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. October 19, 2011 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. September 29, 2007 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. Mickey loved his Harley. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. End of Line Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. =Chuck= Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! April 6, 2012 November 19, 2002 Max Power HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Really? feat fan Raymond Malcuit Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. That's pretty good this day in age. September 29, 2007 October 19, 2011 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! $105.00. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Precut pieces were pulled by horses across the ice in the winter and were built in the spring. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. bob saunders April 23, 2003 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. September 29, 2007 Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). support. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. 6'1", 170???? Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). February 27, 2002 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. That would make him a star in today's market. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades. He later resurfaced with the Padres. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. He had terrific stuff. December 13, 2007 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Bartolo Colon etc). April 6, 2012 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. He started 45 games and completed 29. October 18, 2008 What an interesting parallel, huh? Jay He later came back to play for the Padres. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. May 7, 2013 View All + Want. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. December 20, 2019 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Man, he was a big one. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Mr. Sparkle bogeyman NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. (thankfully returning in '81). But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. December 20, 2019 He noted that he weighed 200 pounds when he won 18 games in 1964 and weighed only two pounds more in 1966. 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